# Tweets from Beyond the PDF 2 I had an amazing time at [Beyond the PDF 2](http://www.force11.org/beyondthepdf2) in Amsterdam (March 19-20). I met so many of the people whose blogs I've been following, did a demo of [my open academic workflow](http://reganmian.net/wiki/researchr:start), gave a 3 minute pitch for ["Why we need an open alternative to Google Scholar"](http://www.slideshare.net/houshuang/stian-haklev-vision), for which I won a shared second place, and came back filled with ideas and connections. I hope to write a series of blog posts highlighting some of the things I saw and heard at the conference, but I thought I'd start by posting an archive of my tweets. I've done this a few times before, from [Critical Point of View](http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/01/14/tweets-from-critical-point-of-view-wikiwars-conference-in-bangalore/) in Bangalore, [Learning Analytics Conference](http://reganmian.net/blog/2011/03/04/tweets-from-learning-analytics-conference-2011/) ([and pre-conference](http://reganmian.net/blog/2011/02/27/notes-from-learning-analytics-conference-2011-pre-conference/)) in Banff, and [OAI6](http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/06/19/tweets-from-oai6-on-open-access-in-geneva/) in Geneva, and even created [a tutorial](http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/12/manipulating-list-of-tweets-with-textmate-with-screencast-2/) on how to generate this list using TextMate. This time, I grabbed the archive from [Bodong](http://bodongchen.com/)'s [Twitter analytics app](http://t.co/n4RgyaBfwF), and used R to select only my tweets. I cleaned them up a bit, removed some purely housekeeping ones, and added a bunch of links for context. This archive will also be useful for myself in reminding me what we talked about, things to follow up on, etc. Before the conference --- - Amsterdam beer and talking semantic publications with @pixievondust and @jschneider, great opening to [\#btpdf2](http://www.force11.org/beyondthepdf2)! Looking forward till tmrw Day 1 --- ### Before lunch - RT @kaythaney: .@pgroth kicks off with a challenge: [what would you do with \$1K today to make research communication better](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bllDGpoYGWUKEmiKjOv36XedITaWUBLS0PYsPjS9QCM/edit) (note ... - Twitter ecosystem slowly being suffocated, and I find myself using it less and less, but for conferences still where it's at. - Kathleen Fitzpatrick opening. [Notes from her talk "Peer-to-Peer Review and Networked Scholarly Communication"](http://reganmian.net/wiki/peer-to-peer_review_and_networked_scholarly_communication) - @jeroenbosman Are any of these really suited for today? Why so much focus on italics etc when we can use URLs, DOIs etc? (genuine q) - Fitzpatrick's mom when publishers couldn't publish her monograph bec. of commercial concerns. "They were expecting to make money?" - "You could just publish your entire monograph online, with reviewer comments - but I know that's not realistic"... @kfitz: "Why not?" - Anyone researching the future of scholarly meetings? Been to some innovative confs, but would love to see research, documentation - "learning at conferences" should be a field of study (want 2 see learning scientists use learning theories to rsrch rsrch) - @rmounce Remember that "theoretically" many may read the monograph at a library. Many journals with only 400 subscribers too. - @petermurrayrust What's your definition of citizen hackers? - [Give grad students researching in other countries grants to help translate thesis](http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/03/07/a-fair-trade-logo-for-academic-research/) \#1k - Re 400 monographs sold, [my MA thesis was downloaded 1600 times](http://reganmian.net/blog/2012/02/08/results-of-a-1-5-year-academic-publishing-experiment/), so I guess I'm doing OK :) - Would be great if you could do some [data viz/analysis of tweets](http://bodongchen.com/blog/?p=290), @bodongchen like - \#MOOCs and - [Indig Educ@OISE](https://class.coursera.org/aboriginaled-001/class/index) - 22,000 students using OA papers in their learning. Powerful argument for \#OA - @rubp Cool, would love to come. I've also been playing with [open scholarly workflow - lit review etc](http://reganmian.net/wiki/researchr:start) - Wish name tags were bigger - know so many people here but not faces... - .@edsu Giving a vision talk ["Why we need an open alternative to Google Scholar"](http://www.slideshare.net/houshuang/stian-haklev-vision) tomorrow. Happy to discuss! - .@AubreyMcFato @edsu @doajplus Yeah, one of a number of projects that it would be great to build on - so much unexplored potential - @edsu Journals should ping a server w/bib\* metadata, like blogs. Standardized micro data. Importing existing databases. CommonCrawl - Love idea of reproducible research, see these cool showcases of [IPYnbs](https://github.com/ipython/ipython/wiki/A-gallery-of-interesting-IPython-Notebooks) and [R+knitr](http://yihui.name/knitr/demo/showcase/) - .@jschneider @aubreymcfato @edsu @doajplus Breakout on OpenScholarSearch - let's make it happen, when/where? - Compare diff aka search sites w my name [BASE](http://www.base-search.net/Search/Results?lookfor=stian+haklev&type=all&ling=1&name=&thes=&refid=dcresen&newressearch=1), [GScholar](http://scholar.google.nl/scholar?hl=en&q=stian+haklev), [MS Academic Search](http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Search?query=stian%20haklev). GScholar wins... - Wrote up a bunch of unfinished detailed ideas for [a social reading hub](http://reganmian.net/wiki/ideas_for_scrobblr), much applies to \#OpenScholarSearch - @neuro\_cloud Not sure if Reddit is the best tool for this, but doesn't hurt to try. - Funny disembodied conference, saw two old friends tweeting with, excited to meet them in person - both are not here :) - For people who see \#RDALaunch hashtag and want to know what it's about, [more info](http://www.eudat.eu/events/rda-launch-and-first-plenary) - @axfelix There will be a lot of new innovation in RSS readers in the next 6 months... Is GSch similarly stifling innovation? \#goodenuf - @Protohedgehog They also [funded 33 students to attend, pretty amazing. Let them try to keep up as we try to out-innovate them. :)](http://www.force11.org/sponsors) - .@axfelix GScholar has no API, [and there will not be one](https://t.co/ShW4d11GqX) - pretty crucial. - @axfelix Is that an argument for or against? I also want to interact with aka search, don't have lot's of ppl to de-engineer... - @axfelix I think (hope) there are ppl attending who do believe in overthrowing global capitalism (or GSch)... we can build sth better! - @Dreusicke I like being able to download data and display/process how I want. Only on the web like DRM - could disappear tomorrow. - Backchannel has been great, but I'm worried that it will fade after lunch as everyone start running out of juice... \#no-power-plugs - @axfelix Makes me think of all the congratulatory tech news stories about use of Linux in China. Reality is almost Win-monoculture - @juancommander glob south, I'd love to see issue of language raised as well, maybe more central to socsci/humanities than hard sci? - @axfelix I think bandwidth and lack of ubiquitous/always-on access is much bigger problem (and maybe access to devices/mobile) ### After lunch - [Journal of open research software](http://openresearchsoftware.metajnl.com/) sounds great. - [Online journals and faster horses](http://t.co/2QDOv9cZ90) - RT @jschneider: Brian Hole: "Articles are so '60's" -- with image of Philosophical Transactions 1665 - RT @juancommander: @jasonpriem doesn't mind the little time because he talks twice as fast, he gets double the words per minute - @juancommander looking forward to my 3 min vision talk tmrw \#talk-fast - I'm so used to watching Coursera lectures at 2x speed so Jason was like slowmo for me ;) \#going-going-gone - RT @CameronNeylon: 11-16 million hours spent each year on reviewing papers that get rejected just in WoS..that's around 1000 years ... - Kaveh on copy editing "we read it many times so you only need to read it once" - Kaveh: one very complex page of journal w math can take 2000 lines of XML - RT @rmounce: The blog post should be the 'Version of Record'. Dump XML, make HTML-5 the base VoR standard @kaveh1000 - Interesting point by Murray Rust regarding the need for typesetters, with good incentives, people can do it themselves - [This panel is highlight so far, so many neat projects! How can people get involved, contribute?](http://www.force11.org/Dissemination) - I'll be graduating in 2 years and looking for a job. A job board for people who care abt sci2.0 and openness? - Funny w where presenters can't do live demos, presenter suggests beyond the PowerPoint conference ;) - @juancommander how about independent open access journals w no budgets? - @juancommander many journals say they'll waive them for those who can't pay. Not sure how works in practice - @rmounce we're doing [institutional research on that at utoronto](http://open.utoronto.ca). And I think many other institutions are as well - \#Peter Murray Rust talks about the "scholarly poor" - non academics, SMEs, etc. Making the case for research funding. - @kelli\_barr not just access to Western rsrch, when doing rsrch on Indo libr, easier to find Western than loc rsrch, not digital - @kaythaney @neuro\_cloud which includes language - RT @kaythaney: I love that "we all *know* we're moving towards Open Access" is an understood, throwaway comment in this crowd. \#oa - Anyone going out for beer and more food after this? Or everyone jetlagged and tired? :) Day 2 --- ### Before lunch - Academics reading almost twice as many articles per year as in 1977. Huge increase with e-access, beginning to level off. [Tenopir (](http://scholar.cci.utk.edu/carol-tenopir/home)[report](https://www.jisc-collections.ac.uk/Reports/ukscholarlyreadingreport/)) - RT @anitawaard: 80% increase in nr of article readings; 30 % descrease in time per article read - unsustainable trend! Tenopir - I must've shown [my scholarly wiki](http://reganmian.net/wiki/researchr:start) to a lot of people yesterday, given how many pages I had to remove this AM - Insightful, how do we address this? RT @mfenner [The Price of Innovation - my Thoughts for Beyond the PDF](http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner/2013/03/20/the-price-of-innovation-my-thoughts-for-beyond-the-pdf/) - RT @petermurrayrust: Almost no mention of \#scholarlypoor - OUTSIDE academia. Usually called "consumers". T ... - RT @petermurrayrust:. Anyone present want to challenge the system and create a bottom up OPEN infrastructure for \#scholarly comm ... - Excited about "Making it happen" session - although shouldn't that be the two day conference, rather than 1.5 h? :) - @jschneider @tac\_niso Also wonder about other submission formats - anyone accept papers in Markdown? - Haven't talked much about authoring tools/workflows here. Anyone excited about [scholarly Markdown?](http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner/2012/12/13/a-call-for-scholarly-markdown/) @mfenner - Wish we had more time for breakout sessions (more sessions). Several things I want to talk to people about - Reuse of scholarly slides at \#btpdf2, very cutting edge :) - RT @CameronNeylon: I want to lock all the developer groups in a room until we agree a path to an interoperating ecosystem. Then ... - @CameronNeylon Is there an empirical study of how often locking people in rooms lead to solutions? It seems like a common idea! :) - [3 min vision talks](http://www.force11.org/program#Vision) are the last session today. Maybe it should be the first, so we could spend day planning/implementing? \#btpdf3 - @CameronNeylon So we just need 500 people to tweet with \#1k hashtag. \#we-can-do-it - @kerim @ilya @mfenner [@criticmarkup](http://criticmarkup.com/) Very neat, how can we push this forward? I'd like to be involved. \#lets-make-it-happen - @InfoFuturesNYU @datadryad Eating dogfood, brilliant. Data about data sharing by scientists, openly available. - Hackfest to create tools/workflows/documentation on using Scholarly Markdown+Git for academic authoring/collab \#1k @CameronNeylon - @TAC\_NISO @ianmulvany @cameronneylon And all ideas look more brilliant when sketched on napkins! Need napkin.js [\#coffe-stain.js](https://github.com/levskaya/coffeestain/blob/master/coffeestain.html) - Would have loved to see @xieyihui from [knitr](http://yihui.name/knitr/) and @fperez\_org from [IPython Notebook](http://ipython.org/) at this conf, executable docs-\>beyond PDF - Graeme Hirst: Post-modernists are high-verbiage, zero logic. Vs people who only talk in LaTeX-math mode. Great talk! @graemehirst - @petermurrayrust @okfn Would have loved to join [OKFN conf/hackfest](http://blog.okfn.org/2013/03/21/announcing-the-open-knowledge-conference-2013-open-data-broad-deep-connected/). Always tricky to get funding. (I'm ironically here because of Elsevier) - RT @petermurrayrust: We shouldn't spend so much time talking, we should be doing and creating - @pgroth @petermurrayrust People travel across the world anyway, have an extra day of "doing"... just need a location with wifi+power - RT @anitawaard: .@erwinverb [Tools](http://www.force11.org/tools) - @cgueret There was a call to design it, don't know how far they got. [CriticMarkup interesting for collab](http://criticmarkup.com/) - @utopiadocs How I embed [Skim PDF rdr](http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/) in my workflow-love highlight, export clips, and AppleScript support. - Five min flash talks - nice warm up for 3 min vision talks later today. Great with pitches, call for action - [@anitawaard](http://www.slideshare.net/anitawaard)\` is amazing like always - great example of how lab research is actually documented in US labs - RT @jschneider Sensemaking involves collage-based manipulation of electronic, born-digital materials, printed and annotated on paper. @anitadewaard - Graft tools closely on scientists' daily practice. (Why "anthropological studies" of researchers important, [Tenopir](https://www.jisc-collections.ac.uk/Reports/ukscholarlyreadingreport/) etc) @anitawaard - Love the X-Files theme when speakers go over their time - Love the work [@swcarpentry](http://software-carpentry.org/) do teaching sw devel practices to scientists. Who're teaching them new research workflows/tools/publ? \#1k - @researchremix Will need more than \#1k, but brilliant idea. YC and [HN](http://news.ycombinator.com) are big inspirations \#incubator-for-schol-comm-startups - RT @researchremix: \#1k A YC/techstars incubator for scholarly communication startups. Mentorship, leg up in biz, marketing, fun ... - @researchremix Does it also require more work on funding models? Can we pitch VCs on funding projects with open source/OA etc? - [PKP XML](http://pkp.sfu.ca/lemon8) tool looks awesome, was shocked when I first realised OJS didn't have document pipeline, very happy to see this! @axfelix - Out of the box NLM-compatible styles is huge, the PKP doing this is huge. - @phillord You can generate HTML, PDF etc from NLM XML. Semantic vs presentation format. - Great that @rmounce is [talking about PDF metadata](http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/12/31/pdf-metadata-why-so-poor/), I've been frustrated over this for a long time! Let's go for \#low-hanging fruit! - Everyone should read this: [Why can't I manage academic papers like MP3s?](http://repository.cmu.edu/isr/494/) \#pdfmetadata - Yes, I want publications tagged with whether they are OA, license... Only on the web, but after I downloaded, how do I know? \#rmounce - talk on \#[ORCID](http://orcid.org), excited about potential, looking forward to seeing them more in the wild - "There is no problem if you just give me more money and use my tool" ... so true :) - @pixievondust What does use constitute? I have one, and I'd love to tag my pubs etc, but not sure of journals who support that etc. - [The revolution will not be peer-reviewed](http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2013/03/20/btpdf2-scholrev-planning-the-scholarly-revolution/) \#scholrev - RT @conjugateprior: What is Word doing in \#Btpdf2 workflows? Like a family gathering where everyone tries to ignore your psychopathic un ... - RT @petermurrayrust: \~25 revolutionaries met at lunch . Will coordinate under hashtag \#scholrev (tag seems to be fairly free) - RT @maurice\_: \#scholrev find the low hanging fruit AND put up an inspiring vision far beyond the PDF - @rmounce @gbilder Nice, seen [some impressive stuff from CrossRef lately](http://www.crossref.org/CrossTech/) - need to look more into! \#pdfmetadata - RT @openscience: Lovely: [@bodongchen's \#Shiny app for tweet analytics](http://glimmer.rstudio.com/bodong/btpdf/) - Most active tweeters at @houshuang, @pgroth, @rmounce and @kaythaney - RT @GullyAPCBurns: how could knowledge engineering researchers work with publishers to be more effectively as a community to inn ... - "Universities are big bags of researchers who have a shared need for car parking"! - Crowdsourcing vision talk on Alternative to Google Scholar: [talking notes here, help me edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EBKkhzrBPO39NWO71423f9TLU5oiwOkNb_z5ULfomjI/edit) \#scholrevo - @houshuang 28 concurrent viewers in Vision talk document, I love you all, you're crazy! :) \#scholrevo (leave names and I'll cite u) - Lot's of great ideas at Vision talk "Open alternative to Google Scholar" doc, thanks all! \#scholrev - RT @neuro\_cloud: @battagliaem I would like to see more breakout/work groups. So many ideas need to translate to works! \#BTPDF2 \#BTPDF3 ... - How about recognition for activists - many work hard on deep ideas, but difficult to publish them, \#should-be-working-on-my-phd - @ianmulvany PS: loved [blog post about Encode](http://partiallyattended.com/2013/01/30/euan-birney-data-publishing-talk-plos-elife/). Used it in 2 presentations about OA - @ambrouk [I had the idea of a "fair trade" logo for publications 5 yrs ago](http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/03/07/a-fair-trade-logo-for-academic-research/), includes \#OA, and translation ### After lunch - @mfenner wish it was more extensible ([Pandoc](http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/)), I'd like the citations to have links to my wiki - plugins, filters without learning Haskell - RT @dshotton: [To escape ISI, open your citation data! See Open Letter to Publishers](http://opencitations.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/open-letter-to-publishers/) - Giving public talk about ≤a href=https://plus.google.com/113732143584807227124/posts/82FiF4gr2U5\>Open Science at KU Leuven tomorrow \#oa - [The Google Doc from my talk](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EBKkhzrBPO39NWO71423f9TLU5oiwOkNb_z5ULfomjI/edit) will transition to a strategy/planning document, add name&ideas if interested - Just gave talk abt [open scholar search, what a rush. The conversation continues](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EBKkhzrBPO39NWO71423f9TLU5oiwOkNb_z5ULfomjI/edit) - @mfenner it's hard to be subtle in 3 mins but I'm actually all abt coordination as opposed to reinvention - @mfenner again, let's do it. I can't do even a fraction by myself, eager to contribute to projects that can. - @phillord my ideal is citations just list of unique identifiers. User/app can render any way they want. - @lukask @phillord any journal accepting markdown+btex file? publishing these alongside HTML etc? Maybe modify [Jekyll for jrnl only](https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll) - @mfenner @lukask @phillord happy to. Know of any [bibjson](http://www.bibjson.org/) ruby libraries? otherwise we should make it - @axfelix does it accept markdown as well? Is this released in [OJS](http://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/) or when coming? Sounds awesome and overdue \#ojs - \#Kaveh: publishers, give us XML. Yes! Publishers: format is not your business. Want to read in my house style. Yes! - \#ah the perils of live demos on others' computers, very brave! - \#very impressive by Kaveh! Why we need d/l-able files, control to readers not platforms. - Kaveh: It's not for sale, but you can get it at a very good price. - Publishers whatever, how can I get my PhD thesis into XLM w/I ppl in Kerala? - RT @memartone: Feel free to propose that we all use ORCID ID as part of the FORCE11 pledge. If the issue has been settled, let ... - RT @axfelix: I think it's quite telling that @kaveh1000 is killing it at with -- what's this? -- a PDF generation pipeline. beca ... - RT @mfenner: Popular vote for best idea goes to Carol Goble, @houshuang and @kaveh1000 They also get my vote, cool ideas, and w ... - @rguha not sure I agree. A lot of my friends happy editing wikis, short step to Markdown, huge step to latex. - Looking forward to videos becoming available from - stream is down. Some things so good I want to see again / share. - RT @TAC\_NISO: Transcribed version (with draft intro from me) of [Amsterdam Manifesto for Data Citation](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ON0yy2_jT2VxL_Cdm03HgMSNnN1A6VzvDQrTi577-ig/edit). Thoughts please ... Stian